My, my, my – what a nice little shitstorm has erupted on the blogosphere lately regarding female gamers. Now, this is a subject that I am both extremely passionate about and extremely blasé towards as well. I’ve said a lot about it in the past, and I plan to speak about it in our next podcast.
I basically feel the same way towards this issue as I feel about affirmative action. No, I don’t feel like its an “if you can’t beat them, join them” sort of issue. I just don’t understand the whole mentality that further segregating yourself by hiding in an all-girl community is doing anything to better the situation. A shit ton of girl gamers have an issue with the immaturity level of the male gamers, yet then they demand equal treatment and whine because video games are geared towards males instead of females. I’m sorry, but no one is stopping any of you girls from participating in predominantly male activities – but you have to accept you’re going to be the minority and that chances are your gender differences will come into play. The root of all this is that we DO have differences and we can’t avoid these differences by complaining that we’re not treated equally, by protesting, by segregating.
When you play in a video game, no one cares what gender or race you are except the immature idiots who you wouldn’t want to associate or group with anyway. Learn to avoid the immaturity and the disrespectful people and familiarize yourself with the ignore button and the fact that you can always meet new friends. Quit lumping all the men into this stereotype of “asshole, hardassed, disrespectful, immature, condescending jerks” and instead find yourself embracing the differences in people in the gaming culture. Just like the real world, you have people you need to avoid and distance yourself from and others that you will want to become closer to. The glory of current MMO’s is the ability to talk in private chats, to use ignore features, to join guilds, to pick and choose who you group with, to use chat profanity filters. We really can make gaming an enjoyable experience if we choose to and put a bit of effort into it.
My favorite sport is the equestrian sports in the Olympics. 3 Day Eventing, Dressage, Showjumping. Why is that? Because it is the only Olympic sport in which men and women compete in the same events against each other. How beautiful is such a concept? You don’t have “Women’s Show Jumping” events. Everybody is equal throughout the entire sport. The horses are a mix of male and female. (Even horse racing segregates males and females; fillies are not allowed to race in the Kentucky Derby for example.) I’m 100% for people learning to work together regardless of their color, gender, age, etc.
I’ve said before that this is why I enjoy the Fires of Heaven guild forums. There, I am not treated like a female negatively or positively. I’m treated as a gamer with my own opinions. I am both flamed and praised for things I have to say, same as the other posters there. I’m one of the few vocal female posters there, and I’m not really looked at as a minority. Why is that? Because I take the flames in stride and I don’t play the ‘female card.’ I don’t complain that I’m treated differently, I don’t try too hard to fit in. I read the discussions, post what I have to say and I don’t flaunt my gender. I don’t hide (my name is Cuppycake after all, with a pony avatar) so everyone knows that I’m female. Its just not really an issue because I post legitimate discussion regarding MMORPG’s. Likewise – if you play a game and you play it well, you’re going to be respected.
Everyone just needs to calm down. You’re not going to change things by making your own girl forums and hanging out there. Yeah, that’s totally cool if its what you want to do. But don’t go bitching about equality and differences in the way you’re being treated when you’re pointing fingers at the male population and refusing to communicate with them. You’re putting up more barriers against the issue that you’re trying to ‘fix.’ There is no fixing stereotyping or gender role differences – they’re going to exist and you’re going to have to play the game the way it was meant to be played, and play it with skill.
Girls – try refusing a gift the next time its offered in game. Try /dueling someone and kicking their ass when you’re criticized for being female. Try talking in your normal voice in Ventrilo and not raising it a few decibels to try to impress someone. Try playing an Iksar, or a Troll, or an Ogre for once! Try naming yourself something other than “Tinkerbell” (I know I say that at the risk of being called a hypocrite because of my name). Grow up, appreciate the differences between genders, seek out mature people who enjoy the same things you do and converse with them. Use the features of the game to your advantage and respect the fact that you’re essentially on the turf that men have created.
And since we’re on the subject, I’m going to personally mention a blog (link removed because they don’t deserve the traffic I’d give them) where a certain group of said immature individuals (that I’ve chosen to now avoid) have decided to start an internet war with me. I’ve been avoiding bringing this up because I know I’m only giving them the attention that they’re asking for. I think they are under the assumption that I actually care about a word they’re saying. They’re throwing out a few comments such as:
<Insert a plug for a blog of equal uselessness in a pathetic attempt to spread my whoreish name around the internet even more>.
Yes, that’s my attempt. To spread my name around the internet. Do you think I ask for people to link what I have to say? Do you think I post something and then email it to Raph Koster and say “Hey, will you plug my post?” If I am linked by another blog or news site on the internet its because they either like or hate what I have to say. I am quite humbled by the amount of people who read my blog or listen to my podcast. I don’t get off on it, it doesn’t make me giddy with joy. I like posting what I have to say, regardless how lame it might be. I don’t give a shit if anyone reads it at all. I like linking to other people to give THEM the credit they deserve, not to spread my name around.
Here’s the deal. Carry on. Continue your war, continue posting all the spam comments that you’ve been posting (calling me fat, ugly, unknowledgable, etc.) I don’t approve your comments, they’re automatically deleted by the IP address you guys are using so now I don’t even read them. So consider your time completely wasted and consider me not giving a fuck what you have to say about me
Its totally awesome that you guys have considered me so important that you should waste your time harassing me on the internet, but its also totally lame that you guys are spending so much time on this. Y’all have totally pegged me as something I’m not – but none of you know me in real life anyway. Continue though, its pretty amusing that you’ve picked me as your latest target
Tami Baribeau is the Associate Producer for Metaplace, Inc, currently working on Island Life. She is also the Lead Editor of feminist gaming blog The Border House, and the National Facebook Games Examiner for Examiner.com. She can be reached on Twitter or by email.



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Sigh. I’m must be getting old, the “gender wars” don’t even anger me any more… mostly, they just sadden me now.
Kudos to you for your position.
P.S. Since I don’t feel like polluting my browser by clicking thru to that attacking blog/site, what exactly is their problem with you? Did you kick their puppy or something?
This gender and games stuff pops up every now and again on the blogosphere, at least for the past two and a half years that I’ve been blogging. It’s not new. Most of the time I just ignore it. But there are times when, as I mentioned in my blog post, I have conversations in real life that make me think about these issues.
I’ve gotten my share of abuse from trolls who flame me for my opinions. I’ve gotten called “fat” and “ugly” by people who’ve never met me just because I don’t agree with the methods that the attention-seeking women gamers use to gain popularity.
I think that women-only game spaces can be nice havens from general gaming spaces. I hang out in both. I don’t segregate myself. If anything, I’m trying to think of ways that the communities can come to some sort of understanding.
However, I don’t look down upon or resent women who would rather play in all-woman guilds or hang out in women-oriented communities. That’s their preference, and far be it for me to tell them where they should socialise, and whether they would be better off socialising elsewhere.
Most of the men and women gamers I have met online and IRL have been nothing but cool. However, the majority of people I have encountered in online games have been complete wankers. It’s those people that I rail against. It’s those people that I avoid. Unfortunately, it’s been difficult for me to find anyone in online games who does not fit that mould, and it’s part of the reason I quit World of Warcraft. I don’t want to be around abusive people, so I just left.
Yeah. That’s the power of anonymity plus a social forum to babble in. The asshattery would probably rapidly approach zero if people had their posts tied to their identities.
I agree with most of what you say here cuppy and I personally play with multiple women in my guild.
With the advent of integrated voice and MMO’s becoming more popular, I can see why some women may wish to spend their time solely with other women. We play MMO’s to escape RL and enjoy ourselves in another world. I could imagine that some women would not want the stress of having to deal with men/boys coming on to them or trying to form a relationship outside of the game. Can you say drama?
When I group with someone in game or /friend a player, its either because that person is either a great player or is just downright helpful. It has nothing to do with the gender of the person. Women need to know that there are good guys out there that are just plain happy that you happen to enjoy the same thing they do, and I think this is where freebies come into play. There are really only three ways in a game to show you are thankful to have another player with you:
Gifts – loot, gold, housing.
Time – spent playing with them or talking in chat.
Praise – verbal or written .
The easiest and least confrontational of these would be gifts and this is probably why we hear the flames. What I would suggest is if you are a woman and you are grouping with a lot of other men and receiving a lot of blind gifts or offers, politely decline and offer instead an idea of grouping together. Boys wil be boys and like Brinstar said, avoid the wankers.
Ah… you dissed their game of the moment. Got it.
Their response wasn’t exceptionally logical. They’ve collectively been virtually stalking you for more than a month because you rate games based on the quality of the graphics? Seems a bit weak… are they stalking Computer Games mag, too?
My apologies for inadvertently feeding into the vicious circle.
must admit Cuppy I’m with you on this issue. I just dont understand the whole mentality behind it.
Its a game for fuck sake … its not like we have enough going on in real life to have it bleed over into our worlds. A plave where we come and pay to relax and have fun.
If you dont like the communtity move on, start your own, hit the ignore button do what is necessary for your fun but please dont assume that I want to here about it or become caught up in it.
I just want to play, have a laugh or two with whom ever you are
hey cuppycake!! why are people such haters?
i like pretty graphics, too
Holy shit Anti, is that “the” Anti? How the hell you doin bud?
Actually, I get paid $5 every time I link Cuppy, and I got $50 for putting her on my blogroll… I welcome the rest of you to send me funds in advance payment for future links to your blogs.
I sure don’t do it because she has interesting things to say. Naaaaaaah, she’s a girl.
/sarcasm
Grimwell, you’re my favorite current EQ2 Community Manager in the world. Just so you know <3
Damn. I pay people $10 to say that…
Given your affinity for horses, you should know better than to make statements like “Even horse racing segregates males and females; fillies are not allowed to race in the Kentucky Derby for example.” without doing research.
Try googling:
Regret (1915)
Genuine Risk (1980)
Winning Colors (1988)
Thank you, I stand corrected. =)
Heya Cuppy, nice article. I think we need to understand that not everyone is looking to “fix”anything nor do they feel its their responsibility to. Maybe I and a few others feel differently but I think most women gamers that segregate themselves really just want to play/chat amoungst others without the negatives they may find elsewhere. Maybe they dont care about making “extra efforts”. Then again for some…that is the “fix”. So in other words dont let a few outspoken women stand for all women that frequent woman gamer sites only. If they want their “safe” space (either in a forum or all-girl guild whatever) more power to them. I am a member of such a community and enjoy the space that I have found there. I also post on other sites too.
Not long ago a WOW guild made a statement that women need not apply to their organization. They felt that females may be offended or they may have to change their guild environment if a woman joined. I saw hackles being raised about it but I say, if that’s what suits them, then fine. I can understand where they are coming from even if I think its a bit misguided (cause based on comments I have read on various forums, there are plenty of females that could hang in that type of guild, lol). But they made it clear that they werent there to fix anything by their statement.
I want to ask you about some statements in your article: you state you dont complain about being treated differently yet you acknowledge that there is no fixing stereotyping or gender role differences – they’re going to exist. I’m confused by this. The other question I have is your comment about us respecting the fact that we are on the “turf that men created”. I find it interesting you say this. What do you mean by that? I would comment but I may be interpreting both those statements incorrectly hence me asking you to explain. Looking forward to your comments. By the way, I notice that shitstorms get stirred up very easily in the gaming blogasphere. Quite frankly I thought it was about open discussion. What I am seeing is things taken out of context, exaggerations being made and just extreme emoting in the form of full page response (not directed at you Cuppy btw) all over a breif discussion. Is this the gaming blog world? If its more of a flames contest I’ll make my departure quickly. :p Anyway you see I have alot of questions. Please feel free to email me if you prefer. Btw If Im not making sense let me know. It’s very late here. :p